Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/3/84; site talcott.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!gjk From: gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg Kuperberg) Newsgroups: net.math,net.puzzle Subject: Re: x^x^x^... = 2 Message-ID: <427@talcott.UUCP> Date: Thu, 2-May-85 01:16:35 EDT Article-I.D.: talcott.427 Posted: Thu May 2 01:16:35 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 4-May-85 02:17:38 EDT References: <505@petsd.UUCP> Organization: Harvard University Lines: 45 Xref: watmath net.math:1974 net.puzzle:814 > x ^ x ^ x ^ ... ^ x > \________ _______/ > \/ > n times > > tends to infinity with n if x = sqrt(2). This seems to spring > from associating the operators the "wring" way. Messr Woods > and Sonntag are parsing x ^ x ^ x as ((x ^ x) ^ x), whereas > the "right" (i.e., conventional, conformist, wimpy) way to do > it is as (x ^ (x ^ x)). There's a reason to assume that the inner parentheses are on the right: If they were on the left, then one could write the above expression much more simply as x^(x^n). Not only would there be a simple way of stating the problem, the problem would be trivial: If x>1 then x^(x^n) clearly goes to infinity. > Therefore, there is a limit of the sequence; call it > y. That is, x ^ y = 2. The only possilbe value of y is 2. > Problem: how fast does the sequence approach its > limit? That is, what is a rough estimate for > > 2 - x ^ x ^ ...^ x > > with n x's, in terms of n? ... > Full-Name: Christopher J. Henrich Let y(n)=x^y(n-1) and y(0)=1. Eventually, y(n) will get fairly close to 2. At this point we can approximate the function x^y by its derivative, i.e. sqrt(2)^y is close to ln(2)*(y-2)+2, where ln() is the natural logarithm. From then on 2 - y(n) is a geometric sequence with ratio ln(2). Thus 2-y(n) is close to C*ln(2)^n, where "C" is some constant which I don't wish to find. There is no doubt a rigorous proof of this, but I don't wish to find it, on account of I'm lazy. I guess I might as well at least ask the following question: What is the exact (as opposed to numerical) value of this constant C which I mentioned above? -- Greg Kuperberg harvard!talcott!gjk "The eerily accurate drawing of Goetz showed the face of the 'before' figure in comic-book ads for body-building devices."-Time Magazine, April 8