Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: The Keebler Chronicles (6 of 7) Message-ID: <417@psivax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Apr-85 18:59:42 EST Article-I.D.: psivax.417 Posted: Thu Apr 25 18:59:42 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 27-Apr-85 06:33:45 EST References: <940@uwmacc.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley friesen) Distribution: net Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 34 Summary: In article <940@uwmacc.UUCP> dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) writes: > >>>> [Ernest Hua / Keebler] >>> { from: Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois } >>>> { from: Jeff Sonntag } >>>> Paul Dubois, writing on the (mistaken) idea that when a new specie >>>> evolves, all members of the parent specie must die out: > >> Indeed, quite a GROSS ERROR. > >Yep. It comes from the Principle of Competitive Exclusion. Your side >thought it up. Sorry. > This is a complete misunderstanding of the principle of Competetive Exclusion. All it says is that ecologically similar species will exclude one-another from any given locality. That is only one of a pair of ecologically similar spp will be found at any one site. This says *nothing* abount adjacent localities, thus nearby places may have a different one of the pair. Thus, a daughter sp and a parent species could easily co-exist *temporally* at different places. There is also an alternative response, called Competetive Displacement, whereby features relating to environmental utilization shift in the area of co-occurance to minimize competition, allowing closely related spp to co-occur by means of differing ecological specialization - bypassing Exclusion. This phenomenon is *observed*, there are a number of examples of species pairs whith a narrow range of geographical overlap which show divergent character displacement in the area of overlap, and *only* in the area of overlap. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen