Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Beast of Burden Message-ID: <418@psivax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Apr-85 19:28:58 EST Article-I.D.: psivax.418 Posted: Thu Apr 25 19:28:58 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 27-Apr-85 06:34:02 EST References: <948@uwmacc.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley friesen) Distribution: net Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 43 Summary: In article <948@uwmacc.UUCP> dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) writes: > > >> Exactly as expected under evolutionary theory! the first of >> a series of intermediates will *natuallly* resemble the source group >> more than the end group! All this says is that the Hyrax is a modern >> member of the horse ancestral group. It is also perfectly acceptible >> for an ancestral form to continue along side of its decendants. The >> only evidence which would contradict the basic series is for a modern >> horse(Equus) to be found in Eocene sediments. Also has the possibility >> of "reworked" fossils been ruled out in the "modern" Eohippus specimens. > >If reworking is to be claimed, the burden of proof is on the one >making the claim to demonstrate it. Failing that, one may show that the >original investigators haave not considered this as a possibility. >Although both of these are possible accounts, you have shown neither. > You missed my main point, which is that co-occurance of ancestor/descendant pairs are entirely compatible with current evolutionary theory. The reworking comment was more along the lines of a postscript or addendum. > >> You forgot an alternative, the convolutions could be inherited >> from a common ancestor, perhaps the basic pattern of brain convolutions >> was established *before* the split between horse and cow. > >I didn't forget. But just how likely does it seem to you that two >independent lines of development from a smooth-brained ancestor with no >convolutions, to two different animals with convolutions, will result >in EXACTLY the same number of fissures, and that all 14 will be in >corresponding locations? I confess skepticism (that healthy quality so >highly touted). > This is not what I said, I said "inherited from a common ancestor", which means that the said common ancestor *also* had *exactly* the same convolations. Your response is more appropriate to a "parallel evolution" scenario. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen