Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site petsd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!vax135!petsd!cjh From: cjh@petsd.UUCP (Chris Henrich) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Ethics 'n Stuff Message-ID: <503@petsd.UUCP> Date: Fri, 26-Apr-85 16:15:56 EDT Article-I.D.: petsd.503 Posted: Fri Apr 26 16:15:56 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 28-Apr-85 08:32:45 EDT References: <945@uwmacc.UUCP>, <555@cadovax.UUCP> Organization: Perkin-Elmer DSG, Tinton Falls, N.J. Lines: 50 [] Keith Doyle has (perhaps inadvertently) mentioned an attitude and practice of some scientists, which accounts for much of the adverse reaction of the creationists. > ... > Science in general dosen't give a flying *** what the general public > thinks. Scientists tell the general public what the SCIENTISTS think. > ... > Scientists decide among themselves > what they think is valid, and only dissmeinate information regarding > what they think that is. > ... Doubtless the intention of the scientific spokesmen being described is simply to stick up for their convictions. I think, however, that it comes across as arrogance. In religious contexts, the word is "triumphalism." It is misleading to represent a scientific theory, even a very well supported one, as a perfectly finished, tidy edifice that is (by divine mandate?) preserved from all attack - a stately temple of the intellect. In fact, scientific activity is more like a flea market than a stately temple. It is always a-buildin', never finished. There are always arguments, and there always have been. Any theory worth while is the object of vigorous controversy, and it changes over the years as a result. Only in a mediocre high-school textbook does it seem otherwise. I can sympathise with the harried teacher, trying to persuade a roomful of teenagers that some theory about old bones is worth learning. I'd probably attempt to speak with the authority of Mayr and Simpson myself. But people are not fooled for long; young people in particular are sensitive to when some grownup is feeding them bull sugar. In a free country they are right to resent it. It seems to me that many of the creationist postings on this news-group are in fact criticisms of a simplistic view of evolutionary theory. Sometimes they sound as if they want biology to be simplistic, and condemn it because it isn't ... I *hope* this is a mis-perception of what the critics really mean. I hope they really want to get past the straw men, the caricatures, and the bumper-sticker slogans. If so, then the creationists are performing a constructive service. Regards, Chris -- Full-Name: Christopher J. Henrich UUCP: ..!(cornell | ariel | ukc | houxz)!vax135!petsd!cjh US Mail: MS 313; Perkin-Elmer; 106 Apple St; Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 Phone: (201) 758-7288