Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site hao.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!bellcore!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!bmcg!asgb!hao!ward From: ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Not Surprising, Twice Message-ID: <1503@hao.UUCP> Date: Tue, 30-Apr-85 19:39:59 EDT Article-I.D.: hao.1503 Posted: Tue Apr 30 19:39:59 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 3-May-85 03:32:06 EDT References: <982@uwmacc.UUCP> <515@mcnc.mcnc.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: High Altitude Obs./NCAR, Boulder CO Lines: 18 > I think that was precisely *my* point. Creationists claim there are no > transitional forms. When transitional forms are pointed out they say > "Well, that isn't a transitional form..." I have, on previous occasions, > tried to elicit from creationists exactly what they would expect a tran- > sitional form on the reptile-bird continuum to be -- if not the sorts of > things that we find in the fossil record. I have yet to get an answer, > reasonable or otherwise. Methinks they expect a unicorn...(it's a whole > lot safer if nothing can meet the criterion.) It's obvious from the writings of creationsist what they think a transitional form should be: anything that would prevent an organism from surviving. If an adaptation has survival value, it's evidence for a designer. If a unicorn were discovered, it would be evidence for a designer. A transitional form is a form that bridges any two forms that we know about. If we know about it it cannot be transitional. Isn't that simple?