Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site cadovax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!think!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!cadovax!keithd From: keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Where the Deer and the Cantaloupe Play Message-ID: <584@cadovax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 30-Apr-85 16:08:05 EDT Article-I.D.: cadovax.584 Posted: Tue Apr 30 16:08:05 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 4-May-85 08:03:38 EDT References: <999@uwmacc.UUCP> Organization: Contel Cado, Torrance, CA Lines: 38 [..................] Ok, I'd like to tirade a bit about mutations. Several people on the net seem to think that the only way evolution could occur is via major mutations that generate wonderful new features (*poof* instant wings!). Actually, partially due to the fact that evolution seems to take millions of years, slight mutations are probably more useful than gross ones. An example might be a bird who feeds on insects that like to hide in certain flowers. Any time a bird is born with slight mutations that cause a slightly longer beak, this bird might have a better chance of survival if the food supply is otherwise low. Initially, perhaps this new characteristic is not a significant enough improvement so that all other bird die out, so our mutant bird mates with a normal bird. The offspring then becomes a 'carrier' if you will, of this longer beak gene. Over a some period of time, enough of these genes may accumulate so that the entire general population has 'evolved' longer beaks. A similar situation has been proposed as having happened to the moth which has changed its color for camoflage. There's no particular reason to think that these type of cumulative effects are prohibited from changing a snake into a lizard, a fish into a frog, etc. given enough time. Many mutations may be minimal to the point of being unnoticed. And in fact mutations may not be uncommon. In addition, it may be possible for a certain mutation to occur that has several effects, some positive and some negative for a certain environment. If the environment suffers a significant change, it may be that a large part of the general population might die out, thus leaving only a few organisms who have accumulated certain 'mutant' characteristics. Thus, these characteristics could effectively become the 'status quo' in very few generations. And, it may be possible for a positive mutant 'trait' to carry with it some negative 'trait'. What I'm really trying to get at though, is that not all mutations are dramatic and debilitating. In fact, I think you'll find that mutation is going on all the time, most of them having very minor effects that accumulate over time. Keith Doyle # {ucbvax,ihnp4,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd