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From: ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward)
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Subject: Re: From one piece of 'dust' to another.
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Date: Thu, 2-May-85 22:45:20 EDT
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> In any case EVERYONE says 'something' "always existed".  Bertrand Russell
> when asked about the world just said, "It's there, that's all."  Some hold
> matter/energy is eternal.  The Christian says God is eternal and the 'ground
> of being' behind which it is not possible to go.  If you ask who/what caused
> God you ask a nonsense question since the definition of God precludes the
> question.  Little children (around 13 according to some on the net) don't
> understand this but the rest do.

I remember in both religion classes and, later, philosophy classes
trying to come up with a definition of God.  In this discussion,
we have been trying to come to some kind of understanding of
just what it is that creationism is.  Now it looks like I can
have both answers at once.  

Please,Ken, give us the definition of the Creator.  I'll help
by starting the sentence for you: X is the Creator (or God, if
you prefer) if and only if X ...


As an aside: since modern science deals with time as the fourth
dimension, what does it mean when we say that something always
existed?