Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes From: carnes@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: What is "capitalism"? (reply to Fagin) Message-ID: <441@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> Date: Fri, 26-Apr-85 14:55:21 EST Article-I.D.: gargoyle.441 Posted: Fri Apr 26 14:55:21 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 27-Apr-85 05:37:20 EST Organization: U. Chicago - Computer Science Lines: 40 >I also note that I like to use "Free Economy" and "capitalist economy" >interchangeably. Over the past couple of months I've noticed that Richard >Carnes et. al. talk about something very different when they speak of >capitalism. For instance, they probably consider government intervention >on behalf of major corporations as quite compatible with capitalism, >while I see it as an anathema to it. To avoid this and other problems, >I'll try to use "Free Economy" in the future to make things a little >clearer. Yes, we should use such terms carefully. Here are two alternative definitions for "capitalism" that are implicit in what I write. This is what Marxists have in mind when they condemn capitalism as inhuman, inefficient, and exploitative. (The following is plagiarized from G. A. Cohen.) "[The first definition] defines capitalism by reference to its dominant production relation: it is the society whose immediate producers own their labor power and no other productive force. It is the economy of free labor, free from serf- or slave-like burdens, free (bereft) of means of production. This is the STRUCTURAL definition. "The alternative, or MODAL definition, refers to the purpose of capitalist production, not the structure in which it occurs. It defines capitalism as the society whose production serves the accumulation of capital. The point of production under capitalism is to use exchange-value [i.e., purchasing power] to produce more exchange-value, and then to use the additional exchange-value to produce still more, and so on." Are these definitions equivalent? Cohen thinks so, but you decide. Now the interesting question arises: How does the Free Economy, as defined by Fagin or McKiernan, relate to capitalism as defined above? Is the Free Economy possibly/necessarily capitalistic? I would be interested in libertarian answers to this question. (Thanks to DKMcK for posting his definition; his earlier posting apparently did not make it to our site.) Richard Carnes