Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site whuxl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!whuxl!orb From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Re: Problems with libertarianism.:"coercion" re to jj Message-ID: <617@whuxl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 1-May-85 17:53:05 EDT Article-I.D.: whuxl.617 Posted: Wed May 1 17:53:05 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 2-May-85 02:49:36 EDT References: <485@cybvax0.UUCP> <2380007@acf4.UUCP> <515@cybvax0.UUCP> <1854@topaz.ARPA> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Whippany Lines: 22 > > >> "Coerce" to "cooperate" -- Huh? > > > >Did you make out a tax return this year? There is strong coercion to > >cooperate this way. Need more examples? > > > >Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh > > Has anyone ever shoved a gun in your face and told you to give > him your money? If you did, you were "cooperating" in this sense. > I think that when Mike says "coerced cooperation" he really means > "coercion" and is just trying to make it sound nicer. > > --JoSH Have you ever been almost killed by somebody running a red light or other such acts of highway lunacy? That is "noncooperation". Without the coercion of the police to restrain people this would be the normal state of affairs. tim sevener whuxl!orb