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From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz)
Newsgroups: net.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Problems with libertarianism.
Message-ID: <516@cybvax0.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 1-May-85 11:59:25 EDT
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Posted: Wed May  1 11:59:25 1985
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Reply-To: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz)
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Summary: 

In article <6592@ucbvax.ARPA> fagin@ucbvax.UUCP (Barry Steven Fagin) writes:
> >And then use the citation as an
> >excuse not to respond to any of the points?  What a shoddy tactic.
> 
> I did not respond to any of the points because I felt that further discussion
> would be non-productive.  I believe that natural rights do exist; you do not.
> I cannot "prove" that these rights exist.  Seemed like a good point to stop
> the discussion.  But of course you may disagree ...
> 
> >Would you like to try again?
> 
> Not particularly, since as I said I don't think it would be productive.

Do you mean to say you already realize your foundations are built on sand,
and you don't want to publicly air that bit of laundry?  Such intellectual
bravery!

It sounds to me as if your belief in "natural rights" is merely religious.
You seem to have no way to defend your specific choices of "natural rights".
Ubizmo tells me that all humanoids have the right to leznerize, and
that contradicts the right to own property.  I cannot "prove" this right
exists, but you should accept it, right?

> I'm grateful, however, that if nothing else our discussion has shown that 
> one fervent believer in the use of coercion to stop discrimination
> also believes rights do not exist.

Why are you grateful?  What significance do you perceive in my scoffing
at your notion that rights are writ in stone by the finger of god?  (Sarcasm.)

> This is something EVERYONE, conservative, 
> liberal and libertarian, should think about.

Oh!  Throw up our hands in alarm that anyone could be so scandalously
iconoclastic as to question our sacred cow!  (Sarcasm.)
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Mike Huybensz		...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh