Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rochester!cmu-cs-pt!cmu-cs-edu1!hua From: hua@cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA (Ernest Hua) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: net.miracles Message-ID: <262@cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA> Date: Thu, 2-May-85 01:28:40 EDT Article-I.D.: cmu-cs-e.262 Posted: Thu May 2 01:28:40 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 4-May-85 02:17:55 EDT Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI Lines: 22 ______________________________________________________________________ In several past articles, there have been a lot of readers posting responses with the assumption that God exists in the first place while responding to posts that question that existence. There are many others that deal with some other idea, such as miracles, rather than the existence of God. I will simply deal with the topic from the existence of God arena, though this post applies to all others. The most common reply consists of the basic statement: "But you do not have the right to ask God to reveal Himself to you. It says in the Bible ... God will only reveal himself as He chooses." This is exactly what Rich Rosen is talking about. The author assumes that there is a God with X and Y characteristics. Use that to reply and to show that the original writer was wrong in asking for Z from God to prove His existence because the already-assumed-to-be-existing God does not provide proof on demand. This is blatant circular reasoning. ______________________________________________________________________ Live long and prosper. Keebler { hua@cmu-cs-gandalf.arpa }