Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site moncol.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!petsd!moncol!john From: john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) Newsgroups: net.startrek Subject: Re: ST IV (MAJOR SPOILER believe it or not) Message-ID: <273@moncol.UUCP> Date: Tue, 30-Apr-85 11:15:21 EDT Article-I.D.: moncol.273 Posted: Tue Apr 30 11:15:21 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 1-May-85 04:16:45 EDT References: <242@petfe.UUCP> Organization: Monmouth College, West Long Branch, NJ 07764 Lines: 62 >From: evan@petfe.UUCP (Evan Marcus) >Organization: Perkin-Elmer DSG, Tinton Falls, N.J. >Message-ID: <242@petfe.UUCP> > >I have the following from a very reliable source, regarding Star Trek IV, >The Trial of James T. Kirk... > >Kirk will be tried for all he did in ST3 (obviously), and at the same time, >the Klingons are going to be demanding his head! Presumably in an effort >to keep galactic peace (or something), they whole incident in III is going >to be undone. How you may ask? How about The Guardian of Forever?? >Yes, campers, as I understand it, they will get the big E back, history will >be rewritten (impossible according to DC Comics' Universe, but what do they >know??), and everything will be copacetic. (I love that word) The big problem with this whole story is how do you "undo" something this complicated? If you just want to get the Enterprise back, then you need only relive ST III, but this leaves you the problems of having a dead Spock, a dying Genesis planet, and Klingons trying to steal the secret of Genesis. Presumably, Soctty would be prepared this time to take the ship into combat, so our heroes could capture the Klingons without losing the Enterprise. In this case, the Klingon High Command would probably still be screaming for someone's head and the Enterprise might still be destined for scrap. More reasonable would be to go all the way back to ST II:TWOK. Now the only problem is to stop Kahn before he sets off the Genesis device. (If he's allowed to set it off, then we have the Klingon problem again.) The obvious problem, then, is where do you divert the time stream. (I'll ignore the obvious temporal anomalies which were also ignored in COTEOF.) The obvious spot would be the Enterprise's first encounter with the Reliant. Had Kirk followed Saavik's reminder, then countless lives might have been saved. At this point, Kahn did not yet have Genesis, so the affects on the universe would have been minimal. All Kirk would have to do is disable and capture Reliant, dump Kahn on a new planet, and everything would be copacetic. (Unfortunately, all the people on Regulus would be dead.) Better yet would be to intervene at a point before Kahn takes over the Reliant. I hate to admit it, but this could be easily done. If Chekov had not been so insistant on looking for something "transplantable" on Ceti Alpha V, then he might have just stuck to the original goal of the mission (to find a lifeless planet) and ordered the Reliant to move on without anyone beaming down. My god, could this mean a movie where Pavel Chekov has to play a pivotal role????? (Oh, ick.) -- Name: John Ruschmeyer US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 Phone: (201) 222-6600 x366 UUCP: ...!vax135!petsd!moncol!john ...!princeton!moncol!john ...!pesnta!moncol!john Silly Quote: "Oh sair, it was Kahn. We found him in an unlinked inode. He put creatures in our bodies... made us post lies, say things, flame things, but keptin was strong..."