Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 SMI; site sun.uucp Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!decwrl!sun!dgh From: dgh@sun.uucp (David Hough) Newsgroups: net.taxes Subject: Re: SS deduction Message-ID: <2136@sun.uucp> Date: Wed, 24-Apr-85 22:17:43 EDT Article-I.D.: sun.2136 Posted: Wed Apr 24 22:17:43 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 28-Apr-85 04:08:00 EDT References: <5762@duke.UUCP> <121@pyuxh.UUCP> <632@ssc-vax.UUCP> <434@hou5h.UUCP> Reply-To: dgh@sun.UUCP (David Hough) Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 32 In article <434@hou5h.UUCP> mgh@hou5h.UUCP (Marcus Hand) writes: > >Furthermore, these people have contributed to the SS pot through their >working lives and have a RIGHT to expect the promissed payout. The fact >that it has been mismananged and may not be most efficiently organized >now, is neither here nor there. > RIGHT? That's like saying that you have a right to something valuable in return for your taxes - a nice idea but contrary to most of recorded history. One of the problems with social security is that during the depression politicians didn't want to call it a tax so they pretended that it was "your" money being "invested" in order to be "returned" to support you when you retire. Unfortunately, the immediate social problem was to provide for existing indigent elderly who hadn't contributed a dime to the system. So in fact the benefits enjoyed by the current retired have always been paid for by the current working. This was fine until the population of current retired started growing faster than the population of current working. At that point it became apparent why the government outlaws pyramid schemes: it likes to retain its lucrative monopoly. But like all pyramid schemes, a finite universe implies that the people who got in first did a lot better than the people who got in last. Fortunately the government has the power to change the rules and to require everyone to play. I don't object to the taxes as much as to politicians who can't call a tax a tax or a tax increase a tax increase. However people do generally get the government they deserve... David Hough