Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site cornell.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!bellcore!allegra!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!joe From: joe@cornell.UUCP (Joseph Bates) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: to demolish: phase shift argument Message-ID: <1545@cornell.UUCP> Date: Mon, 6-May-85 15:16:29 EDT Article-I.D.: cornell.1545 Posted: Mon May 6 15:16:29 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 10-May-85 08:29:58 EDT Distribution: net Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept. Lines: 31 CD players with sharp anti-aliasing filters exhibit a frequency dependent phase shift of hundreds of degrees at high frequencies. This has been suggested as a cause of harshness in their reproduction. The argument below raises doubt as to the significance of such phase shifts. I would like to learn where (if) the argument fails. Consider a conventional speaker with the tweeter roughly one foot above the woofer. Suppose one is sitting with the woofer at ear level and that in this situation the music is being reproduced "correctly", that is the signals possess the proper phase relationship. Suppose further that one is roughly seven feet from the speaker. [The details here are not critical.] Suppose now that one raises one's head so that it is at the level of the tweeter. Sound from the tweeter reaches the ear somewhat sooner than before (since the tweeter is a bit closer), while sound from the woofer arrives a little later. By my calculations the tweeter is about an inch closer, the woofer an inch further. The cumulative change of two inches is about the length of one sound wave at 6KHz. At 12Khz it is two waves, at 18KHz it is three waves. Thus, the improper positioning of one's head (not its motion, but its improper positioning) appears to introduce a frequency dependent phase shift of many hundreds of degrees at high frequencies. This argument suggest that the vertical positioning of one's head is critical to within inches to avoid a frequency dependent phase shift from the "correct" signal, for otherwise harshness will result. I have not heard of such a problem. I await enlightenment. joe bates (joe@cornell.arpa)