Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site reed.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!reed!kehoe From: kehoe@reed.UUCP (Dave Kehoe) Newsgroups: net.bicycle Subject: Re: vertical rear dropouts Message-ID: <1505@reed.UUCP> Date: Thu, 9-May-85 16:03:51 EDT Article-I.D.: reed.1505 Posted: Thu May 9 16:03:51 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 11-May-85 02:44:23 EDT References: <907@eisx.UUCP> <284@sdcc12.UUCP> <42@uw-june> Reply-To: kehoe@reed.UUCP (Dave Kehoe) Distribution: net Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 42 Thanks to everyone who replied to my "Bicycles, Violence, Hatred" article. The article was printed on the Op-Ed page of the Oregonian, Portland's daily newspaper, on Friday, April 26. No track bikes have vertical dropouts. Track bikes can't have vertical dropouts because the chain is tensioned by moving the rear wheel fore or aft (unlike 10 speeds where the chain is tensioned by the derailleur). There is one big advantage of vertical dropouts, and one big disadvantage. The advantage is that you can't pull the rear wheel out no matter how hard you try. For the average cyclist this doesn't matter, but I'm strong, and if I jump on the pedals I can pull my rear wheel out in any gear. The way I deal with this is to either use Campagnolo hubs, which have nubbies on the locknuts for better grip, or to tighten my quick releases very tight. The former is expensive, the latter stresses the axle, bearings, and quick releases unnecessarily. The disadvantage of vertical dropouts is that the frame must be built to exacting standards. If anything is even a *teensy* bit off, the rear wheel will always be crooked. Consequently, until recently no production line bicycles could be made with vertical dropouts, and few custom frame builders wanted to spend the extra time being careful. Recently, however, some Japanese companies have made tremendous improvements in robot technology and quality control, and we're now seeing vertical dropouts on production Japanese bicycles (Italian bicycle technology is still 20 years behind the times). You should definetly buy vertical dropouts if you can. You'll be able to use Hi-E hubs (made in Tennessee) which are made only for vertical dropouts -- these hubs are both stronger and lighter than *any* other hubs.