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From: padpowell@wateng.UUCP (PAD Powell)
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Subject: Re: House Construction/Remodelling Tips (repost with more explanations)
Message-ID: <2391@wateng.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 15-May-85 08:14:32 EDT
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Posted: Wed May 15 08:14:32 1985
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In article <1391@vax3.fluke.UUCP> anholm@fluke.UUCP (John Anholm) writes:
>
>DO NOT PUT YOUR FLOOR JOICE ON 12 INCH CENTERS.
>Make them heavier, use douglas fir instead of hemlock, use thicker plywood, or
>whatever but 12 inch center joice are a mistake.  I know because I did it in
>my home which I am just about to complete.  The plumber, the furnace duct
>installers, and the electrician will all curse those 12 inch joice, and charge
>you more if they realize what they are getting into.  Right angle drills with
>standard bits will not fit up between the joice.  Think of the plumber trying
>to run a pipe at right angles to the joice thru them.  You may end up buying 2
>small furnace ducts for nearly twice the price as one larger duct that would
>fit inside 16 inch centers.
>
>We have nice solid floors but we paid through the nose many times since when
>we wouldn't have needed too.

Yep.  If you want nice solid floors, you should try the following:
Joists:  2x8 minimal, 2x10 preffered, on 16 inch centers.
	Ties at 6 ft intervals,  although 8 ft is usually suffient.
Flooring: 5/8 tounge and groove underflooring,  at an ABSOLUTE minimum.
	3/4 is better, and will give a better "feel".
Nails:  use flooring ring nails,  every  12inches (1foot),  and nail the
	subflooring to the joists.  Use thousands and thousands of nails.
	BUT GET Them in the middle of the joists!!!

If you are putting carpeting over this, you will not need the next step.
If you are putting vinyl flooring over this,  you will discover thousands
of nail dings.  SO:  put a 3/8 G1S over top the sub floor.  Really paranoid
people will glue it down with a wood floor glue,  which is available through
most adhesive manufacturers, but is NOT sold in local handyman stores.
Also, you have to nail the flooring down.  DON'T ding it.

Patrick ("I thought that laying floors was easy?") Powell