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From: pag@hao.UUCP (Peter Gross)
Newsgroups: net.mail
Subject: Re: colons in mail addresses (domains and UCB Mail)
Message-ID: <1537@hao.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 12-May-85 23:55:43 EDT
Article-I.D.: hao.1537
Posted: Sun May 12 23:55:43 1985
Date-Received: Thu, 16-May-85 03:17:14 EDT
References: <485@decuac.UUCP> <498@decuac.UUCP> <502@columbia.UUCP> <1801@topaz.ARPA> <511@decuac.UUCP>
Organization: High Altitude Obs./NCAR, Boulder CO
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> 
>     The original articles were relating to UCB mail and how it is too
> smart for its own good.  The problem, in summary, is that ucb/mail
> tries to do address resolution based on assumptions which are probably
> not valid for your site.  Chuck Hendrick <hedrick@topaz.ARPA> shared
> some fixes he made.
> 
>     With domain addressing in mind, it becomes a big hassle when the
> mailer you are using garbles the address.  I found this to be a very
> big problem when we switched over to domain-based address mail
> software.
> 
> The following shows what happens...
> 
> 		Using /usr/ucb/mail, I read my mbox and look at
> 		message #5.  Please note the Mail heading fields
> 		From:, To:, and Cc:  I removed the "Received-by
> 		lines to save space
> 
>      % mail -f
>      "/usr/users/avolio/mbox": 5 messages
>      & 5
>      Message  5:
>      From mogwai!mogwai.UUCP!smith Fri May 10 18:01:09 1985
> 		~
>      Date: Fri, 10 May 85 16:52:37 edt
>      From: smith@mogwai.UUCP (Jane Smith)
>      Message-Id: <8505102052.AA08546@mogwai.UUCP>
>      To: gang
>      Subject: SUBJECT1
>      Cc: decuac!avolio, system, avolio@decuac.UUCP
>      Status: RO
> 
>      Message follows...
> 
> 		Note the local and non-local addresses and the
> 		"mixed notation" of paths in the Cc: line ABOVE
> 		Now I reply -- little r means to all on the list
> 		*except me*
> 
> & r 5
> To: mogwai:gang@uucp smith@mogwai.UUCP
> Subject: Re:  News NEWS software
> Cc: avolio@decuac.UUCP mogwai:system@uucp
> 
> ~q
> Interrupt
> & q
> 
>      Yuck, right? the "arpa-style" address for smith it got right.  The
> local (on mogwai) addresses it screwed up.  Why?  Because  1) it
> doesn't handle dots the way we want and 2) it doesn't say "with regard
> to mogwai" the way we want.  It *does* recognize decuac!avolio as *me*
> so it doesn't appear, but it does *not* recognize avolio@decuac.UUCP.

When I first looked into this problem in my early sendmail days, it appeared
nearly impossible to do right.  UCB Mail, however, has a nice hack to keep
all the permutations of your own mail address out of responses.  Just put
alt avolio@decuac.UUCP
in your .mailrc file.  My alt line looks like this:
alt pag@hw pag@hv pag@haovax pag@hao-hw pag@NCAR.CSNET pag%ncar@csnet-relay.arpa

An admitted kludge, but it works, and keeps you from needing a straightjacket
from staring at sendmail configuration files.
-- 
--peter gross
UUCP:	{hplabs,seismo}!hao!pag
CSNET:	pag@ncar.csnet
ARPA:	pag%ncar@csnet-relay.arpa