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From: keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle)
Newsgroups: net.micro
Subject: Re: More fuel for the anti-Intel flames
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Date: Fri, 10-May-85 19:48:13 EDT
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Posted: Fri May 10 19:48:13 1985
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>> Has anybody else noticed that only persons with vested interests (such as
>> people from Intel, AMD, and vendors of 80*86 systems) have said anything
>> good about the 80*86? On the other hand, people have come out in support of
>> the 68000 and 32000 just because they like the chips...
>
>Interesting thought.  But I also wonder to what extent this is the old
>"grass is greener on the other side of the fence" syndrome -- most of
>us can get our hands on iAPX86-based systems, but how many of the 68000
>and 32000 supporters have actually programmed one?

I have (and am).

>Besides, since most 68000 and 32000 supporters don't intend to program
>in assembler language anyway, why should they *care* what the internal
>architecture is, as long as the system performs well?

Regardless whether or not I'm going to use assembler, the fact that I've
had a good look at them tells me something about potential performance,
even when using high level languages.

>Disclaimer:  the comments above don't even represent my own opinion.
>As an assembly hacker with experience with all three chips, I'll take
>the 68000 and 32000 over iAPX86 any day.  But I sure wish there was an
>assembler for them which is as nice as the Microsoft assembler for the
>iAPX86.
>Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{ihnp4,seismo,decvax}!noao!terak!doug

I've been using the Quelo macro assembler on the 68000, and I'm very pleased.
I have the CP/M-80 version, and although it's not lightning fast, its quite
full-featured, and compatible with Motorola std.  They have versions for
various machines including PC's (sigh) for about $600 and you can get the
complete 'C' source for about $750 and port it to whatever you want.
I haven't used the Microsoft assembler for the iAPX86, so maybe I don't
know what I'm missing though. (except a kludgy machine architecture).

You can contact them at:

Quelo
3826 29th Ave West
Seattle, WA. 98199

Keith Doyle
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