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From: nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan)
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Subject: Re: Jethro Tull, Kate Bush, and jcp losingness
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Date: Sun, 12-May-85 02:47:24 EDT
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["It's not the bullet that kills -- it's the hole"]

>> Jcp's message annoyed me because he decreed as mediocre........
>> ........than that he doesn't like
>>
>>		Doug Alan

> I refuse to debate further with Mr. Alan since he can't do so without
> twisting arguments around and calling names, but I want to point out
> that I find it VERY amusing that he has just "naturally" assumed that
> I am male.

> Jody Catherine Patilla

I have made no such assumption about which sex you are, and am very
opposed to any form of sexism or racism.  I admit that I slipped into
using "he" to refer to someone of unknown sex as I was taught is the
grammatically correct thing to do.  I actually find this usage of "he"
objectional, but it does creep into my writing when I'm not careful.  In
the future, I will use "it", to refer to you and others in a pronoun.
Some people find this objectionable, but I don't.  I find "he or she"
particularly offensive because it emphasizes sexual difference rather
than de-emphasizing it.  It also leaves out weird aliens and sentient
computers.  In any case, I don't want to start a debate on removing
sexism from the English language in net.music.

Don't you think it ironic that you should complain about me allegedly
assuming that you are male, while you have clearly assumed that I am
male?

I appologize for any name-calling I have made at your expense.  I
realize that sometimes I act like an offensive asshole.  I find it
strange though, that you cannot realize that you too have been
offensive, especially considering the large number of people who have
told you that you offended them.  Personally, I'd rather be called a
jerk or an asshole than have it said that I'm "mired in mediocrity".  I
find it objectional that you feel compelled to defame other people's
tastes just because they don't agree with your own, without giving any
more reason than that.

I'm sorry that you feel I have twisted your arguments around.  I react
to what I think you have said.  If you feel that I am misinterpreting
you, then please tell me what I have wrong.

You have said to me that you find Kate Bush's music "vapid and trendy".
Well I can't really argue with you about "vapid".  You have the right to
your opinion (even if it is the wrong opinion).  But to call Kate Bush
"trendy" is just plain wrong.  Kate Bush is about as untrendy as someone
can get.  She doesn't care at all what the current fad or style in music
is -- she is a perfectionist who goes through great pains to get her
music to sound EXACTLY the way SHE wants it to sound, not as others say
or think her music should sound.  (I could quote numerous interviews and
articles to support this, but I won't.)

Do you really think Kate Bush is trendy?  Why?  Or you are just saying
this to piss me off?

			Douglanessa Alan
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