Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rtech.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!gymble!lll-crg!dual!unisoft!mtxinu!rtech!jeff From: jeff@rtech.ARPA (Jeff Lichtman) Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Re: The magic number nine. (and 3 sheets to the wind) Message-ID: <356@rtech.ARPA> Date: Wed, 8-May-85 02:33:08 EDT Article-I.D.: rtech.356 Posted: Wed May 8 02:33:08 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 12-May-85 02:13:47 EDT References: <388@ihu1m.UUCP> <134@bocklin.UUCP> <625@lsuc.UUCP> <452@crystal.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Relational Technology, Berkeley CA Lines: 28 > > Seems to me that I have seen "3 points drunk" for "3/4 drunk" or some such > > phrase somewhere in British writing, but I can't remember for sure. > > > > Mark Brader > > The expression I heard of a similar nature was "Three sheets to the > wind." Can any sailing/ocean-going enthusiast explain this? I'm no sailor, but I have a reference that answers this question. "A Hog On Ice & Other Curious Expressions" by Charles Earle Funk (Harper & Row, 1948) is a book devoted to the etymology of expressions in English. Mr. Funk has this to say about "three sheets to the wind": "This means, of course, pretty drunk, reeling from too much indulgence in strong drink, somewhat more tipsy than 'half-seas over.' Like many other common expressions, the phrase dates back to the times when ocean navigation was entirely by sail. But in nautical use, a sheet is not a sail, as landsmen are accustomed to suppose, but the rope or chain attached to the lower corner of a sail by which the angle of the sail is controlled. In a strong wind the sheet may be loosened, and is then said to be 'in the wind,' flapping and fluttering without restraint. If all three sheets are loose, as in a gale, the vessel staggers and reels very much like a drunken person." -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) aka Swazoo Koolak {amdahl, sun}!rtech!jeff {ucbvax, decvax}!mtxinu!rtech!jeff