Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site lsuc.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!cca!lsuc!msb From: msb@lsuc.UUCP Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Re: Orphaned Response Message-ID: <-62500@lsuc.UUCP> Date: Fri, 26-Apr-85 06:41:00 EDT Article-I.D.: lsuc.-62500 Posted: Fri Apr 26 06:41:00 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 19-May-85 06:49:13 EDT References: <134@bocklin.UUCP> Lines: 26 Nf-ID: #R:bocklin:-13400:lsuc:-62500:177600:1182 Nf-From: lsuc!msb Apr 26 08:41:00 1985 Ken Perlow: > > "Possession is nine points of the law." I asked about this > > one (often misstated as "Possession is nine tenths of the law.") Gary Levin: > Courtesy of Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (a useful book > when reading net news) > > Possesion is nine points of the law -- It is every advantage a person > can have short of actual right. The ``nine points'' have been given > as: (1) a good deal of money, (2) a good deal of patience, (3) a good > cause, (4) a good lawyer, (5) a good counsel, (6) good witnesses, > (7) a good jury, (8) a good judge, (9) good luck. This looks quite unbelievable to me. Surely the original basis was indeed some phrase meaning 9/10, such as "9 points out of 10". (Which, of course, makes the "misstatement" quite correct, as someone else said.) And then somebody came up with the list in retrospect. Does Brewer's actually say that the idiom is derived from the list? ... I thought not. Maybe "N points" is an old idiom for "N points out of N+1", i.e. N/(N+1) ? Seems to me that I have seen "3 points drunk" for "3/4 drunk" or some such phrase somewhere in British writing, but I can't remember for sure. Mark Brader