Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site cybvax0.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: What is this thing called life? Message-ID: <522@cybvax0.UUCP> Date: Wed, 8-May-85 13:56:05 EDT Article-I.D.: cybvax0.522 Posted: Wed May 8 13:56:05 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 10-May-85 22:14:35 EDT References: <993@uwmacc.UUCP> <3674@alice.UUCP> <301@scgvaxd.UUCP> <1514@hao.UUCP> <308@scgvaxd.UUCP> Reply-To: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Organization: Cybermation, Inc., Cambridge, MA Lines: 37 In article <308@scgvaxd.UUCP> dan@scgvaxd.UUCP (Dan Boskovich) writes: > Punctuationist: Gradualism is out. NO EVIDENCE!! > > Gradualist: Punctuationism is ridiculous. Hopeful monsters are a myth! > > Creationist: I agree with both of your last comments! > > Gradualist and Punctuationist: Shut up! What an unscientific statement! > > Creationist: At least I'm consistent! Tsk, tsk. Such a gross oversimplification. If I was foolish enough to use this form of argument, I'd say "protestant, catholic, at least I'm consistent in rejecting them." The point is, that it is not the position that one takes which makes one scientific or not: it is the reasoning and procedure used in arriving at and supporting that position. Creationism is driven by the scenario set by the Bible. If the truth lies outside of that scenario, creationists are restricted from finding it by their dogmas. Evolutionary theory is driven by the evidence of the history of life and the earth. Scenarios are proposed based on that evidence. Numerous scenarios have already been considered, accepted, rejected, and modified. Gradualism and punctuationalism are not contradictory: both scenarios may have taken place in the evolution of different lineages. The question is how important is each? The purpose of the debate is to focus attention on the evidence, to force both sides to marshall their best, to provide direction for new research gathering new evidence. Like many another scientific debate, the resulting conclusion or synthesis will probably incorporate both, as there is some evidence for each. -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh