Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 UW 5/3/83; site uw-june Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!uw-june!gordon From: gordon@uw-june (Gordon Davisson) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Evidence, gentlemen. Not mysticism. Message-ID: <63@uw-june> Date: Mon, 13-May-85 01:59:42 EDT Article-I.D.: uw-june.63 Posted: Mon May 13 01:59:42 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 14-May-85 20:13:26 EDT References: <271@cmu-cs-edu1.ARPA> <315@scgvaxd.UUCP> Organization: U of Washington Computer Science Lines: 25 >[Dan Boskovich] > You can call it gobbly-gook if you like, but it is perfectly resonable > to conclude that design would imply a designer. Webster's thought so! Webster's is right, design would imply a designer (or group therof), if there was design in the natural world. You think there is, and I think there isn't. Who's right? Who knows. The most important reason for using not subjective measures (which this intuitively defined "design" is) is that people have a tendency to see what they're looking for whether it's there or not. Case in point: The discovery, in 1903, of N-rays. All the experiments involving this new form of radiation used partly subjective measurements, like noticing that an N-ray beam makes a spark-gap give off more light. It wasn't until more than a year later that a it was discovered that N-rays existed only in the minds of the exprimenters. For more information about this, read "The N-ray Affair", by Irving M. Klotz (Scientific American, May, 1980). -- Human: Gordon Davisson ARPA: gordon@uw-june.ARPA UUCP: {ihnp4,decvax,tektronix}!uw-beaver!uw-june!gordon ATT: (206) 527-0832 USnail: 5008 12th NE, Seattle, WA, 98105 Earth: 47 39' 55" N, 122 18' 46" W