Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site uwmacc.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (A Ray Miller) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: thermodynamics again Message-ID: <1083@uwmacc.UUCP> Date: Wed, 15-May-85 11:58:10 EDT Article-I.D.: uwmacc.1083 Posted: Wed May 15 11:58:10 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 16-May-85 21:54:45 EDT Distribution: net Organization: University of Illinois Lines: 76 /* Written 11:32 pm May 13, 1985 by miller@uiucdcsb.Uiuc.ARPA in uiucdcsb:net.origins */ /* ---------- "thermodynamics again" ---------- */ It has been suggested by some, that thermodynamics does not apply to evolution. Indeed, one evolutionist on the net, after giving us the entropy equation for heat flow, concluded: > In other words, people, the second law of thermodynamics, as the name > implies, has to do with *thermodynamics*, and cannot be meaningfully applied > to any other field. Sorry, but thermodynamic models have been shown to hold in other areas as well. One of the fields which can make use of this knowledge is information theory. It is here that we can see the theoretical grounding for evolution crumble. For example, Dr. Ian McDowell, an information engineer, wrote: "Communication engineers faced with the problem of coding and transmitting a maximum of information on a given channel have defined quantitatively the information content of a message. The amount of information to be supplied to transmit any given message using symbol x where the probability of any symbol occurring is P(x) = H(x) = SIGMA P(x) . log2 P(x) which is the negative of the usual entropy formula of thermodynamics. This represents a definite relation- ship, and it has been found that the equivalence between entropy in thermody- namics and information in a binary message code is given by the equation: 1 nit [unit of information] = 1.37 * 10^-16 erg / degree C. The degree of order [nonrandomness] in a closed system may be described uniquely, and this description contains a measurable amount of information. As the amount of energy available to do useful work within a system decreases, entropy increases and the information needed to describe the remaining order in the system decreases at precisely the negative of the entropy increase. Imagine the traditional `Maxwell Demon' who opens and closes a little door in the wall of a closed vessel containing gas under pressure every time a molecule of gas within a certain velocity range approaches the door, thus sorting out molecules in terms of velocity and decreasing the entropy of the system. Ob- viously the `demon' must be preprogrammed to do as he does. The information needed to specify his operation of the door is equivalent to the decrease in entropy within the system which he achieves by that operation. Similarly, the vast amount of information needed to pre-program the decrease in entropy which all living creatures bring into the closed system of the universe has been precoded upon the genes and could, conceivably, be measured. Evolution, said to begin without any such pre-programming whatsoever, runs counter to the findings of every thermodynamicist and communications engineer. Every thermo- dynamic closed system approaches the heat death; and no communications engineer ever sent a meaningful message with a monkey at the keyboard." Most evolutionists try to ignore the problem by sweeping it under the rug. This usually manifests itself in statements such as "Well, given enough time, anything will happen". A frog turning into a prince is viewed as magic, unless the secret ingredient of time is added, at which point it is called science and given the label "evolution". A few evolutionists, however, are more honest in admitting that a serious probem still exists for their theory. For example, Dr. Blum wrote: "I think if I were rewriting this chapter [on archebiopoesis, or neo- biogenesis] completely, I should want to change the emphasis somewhat. I should want to play down still more the importance of the great amount of time available for highly improbable events to occur. One may take the view that the greater the time elapsed the greater should be the approach to equilibrium, the most probable state, and it seems that this ought to take precedence in our thinking over the idea that time provides the possibility for the occurrence of the highly improbable." Personal comment here. Why don't you evolutionists all move your homes over a toxic waste dump? Mutations are how you claim evolution progresses; increasing the mutation rate should increase the rate of evolution. Should we disband the EPA? I'd really like an answer to this question from any evolutionist who doesn't consume heavy metals with his scrambled eggs for breakfast. A. Ray Miller Univ Illinois -- | Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois --+-- | In the human instantiation, the image is the substance. |