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From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 15)
Message-ID: <451@psivax.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 14-May-85 17:43:43 EDT
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Posted: Tue May 14 17:43:43 1985
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In article <353@iham1.UUCP> rck@iham1.UUCP (Ron Kukuk) writes:
>
>
>    C.  NEW RESEARCH SHOWS THAT  THE  REQUIREMENTS  FOR  LIFE  ARE  SO
>        COMPLEX  THAT CHANCE AND EVEN BILLIONS OF YEARS CANNOT EXPLAIN
>        IT.
>
>       27.  If, despite the virtually impossible odds, proteins  arose
>            by  chance  processes, there is not the remotest reason to
>            believe that they  could  ever  form  a  membrane-encased,
>            self-reproducing,  metabolizing, living cell.  There is no
>            evidence that there are  any  stable  states  between  the
>            assumed   naturalistic   formation  of  proteins  and  the
>            formation of the first living cells. No scientist has ever
>            advanced  a testable procedure whereby this fantastic jump
>            in complexity could have occurred--even  if  the  universe
>            were completely filled with proteins [a].

	Do I really have to cite the Urey/Miller/Stanley experiments
AGAIN. Not only have proteins been induced to form spontaneously in
conditions simulating the ancient enveironment, but it is *easy* to
do so. In fact the conditions for forming simple polypeptides are
so loose it is almost inevetible that they would form. Then of course
there are all the various spontaneous membrane systems that have also
been demonstrated, in fact bipolar lipids *always* form closed
membrane systems.
>
>            a)  Experts in this field hardly ever discuss this  matter
>                publicly.   However,  the leading evolutionists in the
>                world know that this problem exists. For  example,  in
>                an  approved  transcript  of  a  taped  interview with
>                Dr.David Raup of the Field Museum of  Natural  History
>                in  Chicago, Luther D. Sunderland commented to Dr.Raup
>                that ''Neither Dr. Patterson [of the British Museum of
>                Natural  History]  nor  Dr.  Eldredge [of the American
>                Museum  of  Natural  History]  could   give   me   any
>                explanation  of  the  origination of the first cell.''
>                Dr. Raup replied, ''I can't either.''
>
	Besides being out of context, these experts are experts on the
fossil record and the theory of biological evolution, *not* experts on
the origin of life, which is a biochemical problem, thus they cannot
really be expected to be up-to-date on the origin problem.
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

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