Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site whuxl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!houxm!whuxl!orb From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Business Cycles -- Note to Gadfly:Re to DKmcK Message-ID: <632@whuxl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 10-May-85 10:46:50 EDT Article-I.D.: whuxl.632 Posted: Fri May 10 10:46:50 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 11-May-85 02:27:36 EDT References: <1146@ratex.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Whippany Lines: 43 > > Comment of Gadfly: > >[...] Capitalism has its strong points, but the misery brought > >about by boom-and-bust overproduction is not one of them. > > Business cycles are indeed not a strong point of Capitalism; nor are they a > weak point. They are, in fact, not a point of Capitalism at all, but rather > of government manipulation of the money supply which distorts patterns of > savings and investment. > > Back later, > DKMcK Come now, Dan, surely you jest. Cycles are a phenomenon of *any* dynamic system, be it economic, ecological or biological. In order for there to be *no* economic cycles whatsoever the system would have to be *constantly* at the exact equilibrium point. Plausibly the only way such a system could exist would be if were actually no longer dynamic whatsover-i.e. either stagnant or dead. Indeed the whole point of neoclassical economic theory (and Marx' statements about the dynamism of Capitalism) is that supply and demand are dynamic and constantly shifting- such things as price controls restrict such dynamic changes in price and supply. As conditions shift the equilibrium point also shifts-but responding to these shifts involves lag effects and other factors. As I have pointed out earlier, it is possible theoretically for the market system to become more and more erratic under the conditions of the cobweb effect. Statements such as the above make me wonder if you are studying economics as a science or Libertarianism as a simplistic ideology totally divorced from either reality or logic. At the same time, I think it is just as much a mistake to assume that economic cycles do not exist in centrally planned economies. It is merely that such economic cycles are different in character from market cycles and probably more tied to political shifts. "There is no way for the human body to ever have high-blood pressure, diabetes, or other such ills except for interference from the brain!" tim sevener whuxl!orb