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From: myers@uwmacc.UUCP (Jeff Myers)
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Subject: Fascism and Socialism
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Date: Thu, 9-May-85 15:08:38 EDT
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>      To have PROPERTY in something, one must have the right to bring-about or
> prevent changes in that thing.
>      Socialism is a social order in which, rather than allowing private
> property and markets, decisions about the use of resources are made by
> administrative institution (whether it be a bureaucracy or democratic
> assembly).

Well, this is a rather Stalinist view of what socialism is.  My view (and that
of many others) is that large clumps of means of production cannot be privately
owned, but that small holdings are fine.  Many are also convinced that the
market process is necessary in a Socialist system in order to help ensure that
production fits demand.

>      Under Fascism, individuals retain POSSESSION of resources, but decisions
> about HOW these resources are USED are made by a system of government
> institutions.  Thus, the possessors do NOT actually have PROPERTY in the
> resources.  Fascism is a veiled form of Socialism.

It's also a veiled form of capitalism: capitalists were still free to enjoy
their profits, at least until the war came home to Germany.

>      It is quite true that most Leftists are horrified by German National
> Socialism, and honestly don't recognize it as a true Socialism; but this is
> rather like failing to recognize a degenerate cousin spawned by a branch
> of the family which inbreeds in Appalachia.

I take offense here, being from Appalachia myself.  Surely you could have
picked a different comparison.  Perhaps orcs being degenerate cousins of
elves (read your Tolkien)?

>                                Daniel Kian McKiernan

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