Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site mtxinu.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!gymble!lll-crg!dual!unisoft!mtxinu!ed From: ed@mtxinu.UUCP (Ed Gould) Newsgroups: net.auto,net.singles Subject: Re: Seat belts Message-ID: <366@mtxinu.UUCP> Date: Wed, 8-May-85 20:09:11 EDT Article-I.D.: mtxinu.366 Posted: Wed May 8 20:09:11 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 12-May-85 02:15:41 EDT References: <429@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <335@calmasd.UUCP> <> <1652@bmcg.UUCP> Organization: mt Xinu, Berkeley, CA Lines: 30 Xref: linus net.auto:5731 net.singles:6000 > In article <> holmes@dalcs.UUCP (Ray Holmes) writes: > >gail@calmasd.UUCP (Gail B. Hanrahan) writes: > >>The REAL issue is, should the government(s) be making laws > >>*requiring* people to wear seat belts just because it's "for > >>your own good"? Can we next expect legislation requiring us to > >>take vitamins, as well? [sarcasm] > >There is a difference here; the government has to pay to clean up the mess! > > Ray > > Gail has the important point, although she (he?) understates it a bunch. > Ray, on the other hand, falls into the standard Welfarist traps: the > fallacy that "the government" can be financially responsible for anything, > ... > > To dismiss the first fallacy: "the government" doesn't--and can't--pay to > clean up the mess. The government, if we adhere to the second fallacy, > merely acts as disbursing agent, to make us victims, uh, taxpayers, pay to > clean up the mess. > --Bill Price You're picking nits here. The difference between the "government" and "us taxpayers" is not relevant. The point is that *my* money is going, through whatever channels, to clean up the mess. Whether the government should take the responsibility or not, they *are* doing it. I don't want to pay for the nitwits that don't wear belts. -- Ed Gould mt Xinu, 2910 Seventh St., Berkeley, CA 94710 USA {ucbvax,decvax}!mtxinu!ed +1 415 644 0146