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From: miche@masscomp.UUCP (Harvey)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: \"Why not send the men home?\"
Message-ID: <694@masscomp.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 9-May-85 12:14:59 EDT
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Posted: Thu May  9 12:14:59 1985
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Reply-To: miche@masscomp.UUCP (Miche Baker-Harvey)
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In article <155@kontron.UUCP> cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> 
>> 4 out of 5 homocide victims are women.
>> Male murderers outnumber female murderers 16 to 1.
>> 1 in 4 women is raped or sexually abused by the time she is 18 years old.
>> In 70% of rapes, the rapist is known to the victim.
>> More than 50% of rapes happen to a women in her own home, in her own bed.
>
>  Considering that the remark about 
>a curfew for men *couldn't* have been serious, my remark wasn't very serious 
>either.

The remark about the curfew for men was, on one level, very serious.
It was on the same level that I took your remarks seriously.  The
unspoken curfew on me is VERY serious.

>I completely agree you with you about the nature of rape.

I recognize that you do, and it was certainly not my intention
to flame you, or to malign you.

>Incidentally, I'm not sure where you get your statistics, but at *least*
>one of them is wrong.  The majority of homicide victims are men, not women.

According to the FBI National Crime Statistics, 4 out of 5 homocide
victims are women.  

>Also, from the experiences of the women with whom I have discussed the
>percentage of molestation, I would say "1 in 4" may even be low.  (It would
>be nice if you quoted the "1 in 7" figure that applies to men.  Viewing
>molestation as a problem just for women is extremely chauvinistic.)

You are probably right that 1 in 4 is low.  The FBI (again) feels that only
one in TEN sexual assaults is reported.  And, certainly, 1 in 7 is also
the right number of sexual assaults on men.  I did not mention it in the
context because, when a man is raped in a bar, no one says to him, " You 
got what you deserved because you shouldn't have been in a bar", or even,
"But you wanted it, didn't you?  Isn't that why you were in a bar?"  I did
not mean to imply that men were not victims of sexual assault.

>Finally, I'm sorry that you are so humorless that you fail to see a 
>sarcastic and light-hearted response to what was certainly a flippant idea.

I'm very humorful. ;-)  I'm also very serious about oppression of women.
It is NOT a joke.  It hurts me.  It zaps my energy.  It keeps me out of
bars ;-}  Your 'light-hearted response' struck a nerve in me.  I would
appreciate your being sensitive enough to respect and understand that.

Miche Baker-Harvey
	{decvax|ihnp4}!masscomp!galaxy!miche

	 "Rape is as much a crime of sex as murder with a 
 		frying pan is a crime of cooking."