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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: ``they'' vs *US*
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Date: Sat, 11-May-85 19:22:16 EDT
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> And now that we've tied up all our energy in useless discussions on
> words, there are a couple of people who are making the outrageous and
> dangerous claims that:
>   1. White men are being discriminated against, and this deserves at
>      least as much attention as discrimination against women.

I have seen explicit, blatant, and intentional discrimination against
people based on their being male.  You may wish to argue that this is
rare --- I have seen it.  In fact, when I was in high school, attempting
to find a way to afford to go to college, there were scholarships
administered by a public high school that explicitly stated that race,
ethnic origin, and sex were relevant criteria.

If the government is going to prohibit discrimination based on race,
sex, creed, and half a dozen other bases, it should be consistent and
prohibit it against white males as well.  If the objection to discrimination
is that it is unfair to individuals, then the discrimination that is
inflicted on white males is just as immoral as when it is inflicted on
anyone else.

>   2. It is wrong for women to be proud when they manage to overcome
>      discrimination.

No argument from me.

>   3. Wearing ``provocative'' clothing is somehow responsible for
>      (at least some) rape.
> 

Not responsible; the rapist is responsible.  There may be some 
individual rapists who may find sexually provocative clothing an
encouragement.  That doesn't make it "OK" for them do such a thing;
it is something to think about, in the same way that no rational 
person walks down a dark alley late at night alone, and unarmed.

> 		-Ed Hall
> 		decvax!randvax!edhall