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From: mom@sftri.UUCP (Mark Modig)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: ``they'' vs *US*
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Date: Tue, 14-May-85 02:01:42 EDT
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> 
> And now that we've tied up all our energy in useless discussions on
> words, there are a couple of people who are making the outrageous and
> dangerous claims that:
>   1. White men are being discriminated against, and this deserves at
>      least as much attention as discrimination against women.
>   2. It is wrong for women to be proud when they manage to overcome
>      discrimination.
>   3. Wearing ``provocative'' clothing is somehow responsible for
>      (at least some) rape.
> 
> Except for one or two mild postings, the net is *silent* in response
> to these and other such claims!  Instead, we'll generate scores of
> postings on fireman vs. firefighter.
> 
Well, I am awake, and I do see discrimination against white males. 
Not nearly as organised or pervasive as discrimination against other
groups, but discrimination nonetheless.  Is discrimination bad or is
it just bad when it is done to certain groups?  You can't have it
both ways.  Either it's reprehensible or it's OK.  Which is it?

It is something to be proud of when ANYONE manages to overcome
discrimination to get what they should get based on their own merit
and hard work.  As far as this goes, there seems to be more smoke
than fire.

Women shouldn't have to watch what they wear because some men seem
to feel that just because a woman is wearing "provocative" (whatever
that is-- my wife looks provocative to me in just about anything,
including an old T-shirt and faded old jeans, and she says the same
about me) clothing she is out looking to get laid and they can do
to her as they please..  This is wrong;
if the woman says "no", if it is against her will, it is rape.  Pure
and simple.  Besides, this is just a setup fpr the familiar dodge
that rape is somehow a crime of sex, when it is really primarily a
crime of violence.

Mark Modig ihnp4!sftri!mom