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From: london@oddjob.UUCP (David London)
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Subject: curfews, discrimination, etc.
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Date: Tue, 14-May-85 14:38:07 EDT
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	Well, I have been following this discussion for some time (curfew 
for men; discrimination against white men; women being proud of triumphing 
over sexism; etc....). A few comments (by the way, I am a white man):
	Re: discrimination against white men: All I can say to this is - if
you white men feel discriminated against, TFB! (that's Too Fucking Bad!).
You do *not* live on an island. If you stopped thinking about yourselves
for a second, you'd see that the minor troubles you have to put up with
are worth it *for the good of other people* (women, blacks, minorities, etc.).
That's the main point: the "troubles" you face now pale in comparison to
the discrimination women, blacks, etc. have been facing (and still face)
for *centuries*. You get no sympathy from me. 
	Re: curfew: whoever made the original posting - good going! You
seem to have hit a raw nerve. I'm not sure what good it will do - I don't
know how many men will hear the anger and (perhaps) bitterness in your
tone and react to it by thinking about all you've said, but perhaps some
will. The point here is: (perhaps) men now can feel what it is to have the
shoe on the other foot (by the way, beth d., your postings were great - to
me, they really got to the heart of the matters).
	Finally, I completely support your (i.e. women's) being proud of
the accomplishments of other women. The only way to change things is as
a group. Pride in being part of a group of people who fight against 
discrimination is an essential part of keeping the spirit alive. Although
I can't feel pride in being a woman, I do feel pride in being among those
people who fight for equal rights. Conversely, I often feel shame at being
a part of a group of people (white men) who practice sexism, racism, etc.,
sometimes purposefully, but often without ever being aware of it. Keep
fighting!

					David London
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