Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lsuc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!jimomura From: jimomura@lsuc.UUCP (Jim Omura) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: patent office closure Message-ID: <656@lsuc.UUCP> Date: Sat, 1-Jun-85 18:18:33 EDT Article-I.D.: lsuc.656 Posted: Sat Jun 1 18:18:33 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Jun-85 18:36:52 EDT References: <1926@watcgl.UUCP> Reply-To: jimomura@lsuc.UUCP (Jim Omura) Distribution: can Organization: Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto Lines: 54 Summary: No sense at all. As a lawyer with a fair knowledge of US and Canadian Intellectual and Industrial Property laws (Copyrights, Patents, Trade Marks and Trade Secrets), it makes very little sense to me at all. The most I can say is that the Tories probably picked it because it's an obscure area of law that not many people know enough about to say something intelligent. As such, they probably figured a minimum reprisal for their acts. Another possible reason was that it gave them a chance to kick out some Liberal appointed civil servants. As a legal matter, it's my opinion that it's a stupid move. I can't even try to be polite about it. The US patent law and copyright law are separated by the US constitution. I've hoped for some time now that we, in Canada could create a truly unified I & IP law which would end the problems associated with the current laws. If we accept the US patent registrations as fixing our own laws, then we will be forever tied to their deficiencies. As computer people I think everybody 'here' should be screaming murder. The US patent law has difficulties protecting software. The US Copyright law has been the main area of protection there. Here, we are moving in somewhat the same direction, but the differences, such as a complete lack of a true Industrial Design statute in the US, should not be overlooked. Do most of the people 'here' know how hard it is to register a patent in Canada or the US? If software is made subject ot patent law (as I said, it partly is already) as it currently stands, do you realize what the implications are? Say the first word processor package was allowed a patent. The implication would be that even if you wrote *your own* package you'd be violating an existing patent! It wouldn't even matter if it was substantially different in approach, if the patent was granted for a fairly general description of what a word processor does. Is that what you want to see? Patent law is not really compatible with current economic and scientific realities. Here in Canada we *can* produce a better legal system. In the US they may be able to also, but don't expect it. The US Constitution is hard to change (for proof of that do a bit of research on what the Women's movement went through for their unsuccessful attempt to pass ERA). There is also the cost of obtaining a patent in the US and enforcing it here in Canada. Such a situation will only be good for very large (read that 'probably more expensive') law firms. If I were a Canadian Patent agent, I would *not* be qualified to practice in the US. You'd have to hire one in the US, or go to a firm with contacts or practitioners qualified to practice in the US. You can bet that less than 1/10th of the current patent firms will be able to do this. What will it cost you to hire a good US patent agent? I don't know for sure, but studies have shown that Canadian lawyers make less than US lawyers on average, and I doubt whether the patent field will prove different. (If they make less, then they are probably charging less, but that's not an absolute...). -- James Omura, Barrister & Solicitor, Toronto ihnp4!utzoo!lsuc!jimomura