Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ucbvax!arms-d From: arms-d@ucbvax.ARPA Newsgroups: fa.arms-d Subject: Arms-Discussion Digest V3 #37 Message-ID: <7366@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Tue, 21-May-85 22:55:03 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.7366 Posted: Tue May 21 22:55:03 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 23-May-85 01:37:06 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.ARPA Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 85 From: The Arms-D Moderator (Harold Ancell) Arms-Discussion Digest Volume 3 : Issue 37 Today's Topics: Nuclear Winter and the Neutron Bomb Helicopter vs Helicopter Danger from South Africa (response to J. Miller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 May 85 23:41:01 edt From: Subject: Nuclear Winter and the neutron bomb As I understand it, proponents of the nuclear winter concept say that a nuclear winter would be caused by the various firestorms rising over nuked cities, and in particular that high airbursts and groundbursts over open fields would not contribute a great deal to the dustcloud. It is then suggested that this chance makes nuclear war totally silly (which it may be anyway) because the whole word dies. It seems to me that even if the superpowers became convinced of this, all that would result is a strategy change involving the use of neutron bombs on cities instead of regular H-bombs. Neutron bombs disable the city and destroy the industrial base without causing a major firestorm, from what I have heard. (When I say destroy the industrial base, I mean make it unusable) The big weapons would be reserved for silo attacks where there isn't a city to burn. ------------------------------ Date: Tuesday, 21 May 1985 14:07-EDT From: rrd@Mitre-Bedford Subject: Helicopter vs Helicopter The following was sent to Jeff Miller in response to his query in the ARMSD Digesst number 30. About 1978, I was chairman of the Tactical Air Working Group of the MORS that was held at Ft McNair. My subject was helo vs fixed wing, because I had the impression that the analytic community believed that helos were raw meatfor fixed wing. It turns out that in a one-on-one situation (at least), and if the helo is aware that he is about to get bounced, the helo can make a fool of the FW - or worse - even if he is unarmed. My discussants included Doc Bahnsen, Igor Sikorsky, a young Air Force Jolly Green driver from Kirtland, and a couple of Marine Snake (Cobra) pilots from MAWTS-1 at Yuma. It came out in our working group sessions that the MAWTS-1 people had been doing work in helo vs helo, even in those prehistoric times. >From what I read, MAWTS-1 has helo vs helo in their attack helo training syllabus. Bob Darron at MITRE-BEDFORD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 85 12:06:17 pdt From: knutsen@sri-unix (Andrew Knutsen) Subject: Danger from South Africa (response to J. Miller) If you're going to bring up "real people" as opposed to "players" in criticism of the "objectivity" of US policy and its participants, dont forget that there is too much suffering going on to deal with on a personal level, all at once. I think its pretty clear that the Soviet Union causes orders of magnitude more suffering than South Africa. I agree we should do something about South Africa, since we can without causing a war; but pardon my saying so, it shows as much insensitivity as you're accusing others of to slight them for not thinking of human rights. Please note that I dont know you and Im not saying this personally; its just that when I see people reacting to one level of pain without seeing further levels and understanding what their effects are, it seems unjust. Andrew Knutsen ------------------------------ [End of ARMS-D Digest]