Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site iitcs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!iitcs!draughn From: draughn@iitcs.UUCP (Mark Draughn) Newsgroups: net.bicycle,net.politics Subject: Re: Bicycles, Violence and Hatred Message-ID: <132@iitcs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 17-May-85 03:05:01 EDT Article-I.D.: iitcs.132 Posted: Fri May 17 03:05:01 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 29-May-85 23:43:34 EDT References: <1370@reed.UUCP> <983@vax1.fluke.UUCP> <1385@vax3.fluke.UUCP> <313@varian.UUCP> Reply-To: draughn@iitcs.UUCP (Mark Draughn) Distribution: net Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Il. Lines: 37 Xref: watmath net.bicycle:1204 net.politics:9108 Summary: After reading some of the discussion on this subject a couple of things come to mind. I drive a car a lot and I'm almost always irritated by bicyclists on the road. Sometimes this is because of stupidity on the part of the cyclist, but usually it's because I'm afraid of them. You see, my car weighs 2 tons and doesn't turn terribly quick because of it. At least not compared to bikes, which seem to make instantaneous right-angle turns. It's easy to imagine a bike swerving into my car before I could react. I don't mean to imply that cyclists are too stupid to watch where they are going, after all, we drivers manage to hit each other regularly because our minds are on something else, or a dog runs out in front of us, or something. Some cyclist here said that he/she faces more of a hazard from other bikers, often running into an errant cyclist. (I imagine that the freedom from serious injury, and the resulting low level of regulation, is one of the things that makes cycling so much fun.) Unfortunately, some bikers behave that way on the road, and when they hit cars instead of other bikes, things can get ugly. I suppose that in the end it's a matter of communication. How do a cyclist and I make our intentions known to each other? When I'm coming up behind a cyclist, I honk my horn to let him know I'm going to pass. Usually he will move to the right, or wave, or something, and then I pass. That's communication. Occasionally, however, he flips me the finger. That's not communication; and it hardly proves my superior communication skills/ morality/intellect to hit him with my car :-) Part of the idea behind the Heimlich maneuver is to make sure thet EVERYONE knows what it is. One thing that Heimlch tried to do was to establish a universal way to tell somebody that you are choking -- put your hand to your throat. It would be great if some general ways to communicate could be taught to drivers and cyclists. With that in mind, there are probably a few signals already in existance that are nearly impossible to interpret. Some thought on this would probably help the problem. Mark Draughn p.s. Comments would be appreciated, flames will be endured.