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From: zubbie@ihlpa.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck)
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Subject: Re: Now is the time for all good men...
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Date: Thu, 23-May-85 13:35:39 EDT
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> 
> I was serious.  I really think that the generic term for a person should
> be "man", and that the generic pronouns should be "he", "him" and "his". The
> psychology of this is phenomenally powerful...it does not demand that anyone
> change his concept of "manhood" to one of "personhood", but rather that a female
> of our species be considered part of mankind.  It also acknowleges the fact
>.	
>
> 
>
> 
> Furthermore, the use 
> of the word "man" to refer to a human being of either sex would force men to
> consider social, financial, intellectual, technical and scientific accomplish-
> ments as something very, very different from simple biological endowments.
> If you're the best man for the job, you're the best man for the job--no matter
> what your plumbing, parentage or early social environment was like.  The push  
> 
> And dammit, this is a good idea, a new idea, and a lot more worthwhile than
> than the drivel about rape and high-heel sneakers I've been reading about 
> in this newsgroup lately.  Is the idea just too simple and effective a solution
> 
> It just makes too much sense to argue with, doesn't it?
> 
>                               Cheryl Stewart, BMOC

*** REPLACE YOUR VACANT THOUGHT WITH THE ABOVE!!!!! ***

I really think you have hit the point much more squarely than any one else
has done. I would gladly settle for man .... etc as general use words
if they could really evelove into non-sexist terms. Right not this is
not the case. Perhaps the idea of working for a non-gender-specific 
pronoun set is a bit off the real track but in today's society there
really is no hope for anything better. I don'y think it is impossible
to achieve just more than inordinately difficult.

I belong to the HU*MAN* race  ie MANkind but for the here and now
I am a WOMAN and I'll be durned if I am going to sit still and be 
just one of the GUYS. In today's work environment this would be no better
than reverting to the attiudes about women in work place which were
dominant 30 years ago. 
 
Women have come to far to through down what has been done and start
over. About the best I an imagine is a parallel effort to:
	a) achieve a neuter descriptor set of words
and
	b) achieve recognition that women are part of MANkind.
 
Jeanette Zobjeck
ihnp4!ihlpa!zubbie
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