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From: sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley)
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Subject: Re: now is the time for all good men...
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Date: Tue, 28-May-85 10:52:19 EDT
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> >>I was serious.  I really think that the generic term for a person should
> >>be "man", and that the generic pronouns should be "he", "him" and "his".
> 
> Your first mistake, beth, JB, giant, or whatever it is you call yourself, was
> to stoop to a snide, name-calling tack.  If you want to discuss this topic
> man-to-man, grow up.  You can save your childish backbiting for sorority-house
  ^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^                     ^^^^^^^^                ^^^^^^^^

> meetings or wherever it is that kind of thing is deemed acceptable.  Your second
> mistake, beth@sphinx, was to completely misunderstand my proposal.  I proposed
> that grownup females be referred to as men.  This constitutes a significant 
> departure from the current use of the English language.  You claimed that 
> I proposed that no change be made.  Clearly, simple logic escapes you.  I'd say
> you have a lot to learn.
> 
>                                             Cheryl Stewart
> 
AHA, now we come to the crux of it!  women are men until they misbehave at
which point they are women (or girls) again.   Being female is an immature
state and being male is a mature one.  You are not proposing to stay with
the status quo, you are actually proposing we go back to the way things 
were 100 years ago.   Well, Cheryl, no deal.  It's been tried before and it
didn't work.  I feel sorry for you that you were born in the wrong century,
but there are probably enough men around you who wished they were still
there that you can probably live happily ever after.

Point #2 (there was no point #1, but then again, has anybody ever seen a
page numbered 1?).  Your proposal doesn't make sense.  Women are not men.
Change in maturity is not accompanied by a change in sex, and it is not
necessarily accompanied by a change in gender, or if it is, it isn't
necessarily in the direction you are suggesting.  Gender identity and
maturity have NOTHING to do with each other and it is absolutely ridiculous
to suggest that they do.

If you really would like to be considered a man, I suggest you change your
sex.  I will stay with mine, thank you.
-- 
Sophie Quigley
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