Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mnetor.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!sophie From: sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) Newsgroups: net.women,net.flame Subject: Re: Re: now is the time for all good men... Message-ID: <883@mnetor.UUCP> Date: Tue, 28-May-85 12:08:41 EDT Article-I.D.: mnetor.883 Posted: Tue May 28 12:08:41 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 28-May-85 13:27:31 EDT References: <749@oddjob.UUCP> <880@mnetor.UUCP> Organization: Computer X (CANADA) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Lines: 34 Xref: utcs net.women:5304 net.flame:9823 >I was serious. I really think that the generic term for a person should >be "man", and that the generic pronouns should be "he", "him" and "his". In your proposal you reflect the traditional belief that "male" values are somehow more "mature" than female values. This is a very stereotypical belief that men in "traditional" societies have. If you had hung around enough women in such societies, you would have found out that there is a balancing stereotypical belief that most women adhere to: the belief that women are more mature than men. This belief accompanied by the belief that "girls mature faster than boys" is not entirely stupid either. Certainly, the traditional sex roles are such that a lot more maturity is demanded from women than it is from men. Men's traditional role is to deal with the outside world, bringing home the bacon and spanking the kids if they misbehave. Women's traditional role is to do everything else, taking care of the economics involved in running a household, raising children, in other words, figuring out a fair and flexible distribution of all sorts of scarce resources (money, time, affection, attention, etc...) not easy tasks. Therefore maturity is in the mouth of the definer. By equating maturity with a certain gender, you are ignoring other very valid definitions of maturity. You are denying the efforts that women have made to cope, the common sense philosophies that women have developed in the evolution of humankind, in other words the history of all our contributions. What we need now is not a solution that negates our contributions, but a solution that integrates it. Please let's not start a discussion on whether women or men are more mature. This article is not a claim of women's superiority but a counter-balance to Cheryl's suggestion of equating maturity with manliness. -- Sophie Quigley {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie