Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site sunybcs.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!sunybcs!ughenry From: ughenry@sunybcs.UUCP (Henry Neeman) Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics Subject: Re: Re: I don't favor Apartheid, but... Message-ID: <1716@sunybcs.UUCP> Date: Tue, 28-May-85 17:17:28 EDT Article-I.D.: sunybcs.1716 Posted: Tue May 28 17:17:28 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 31-May-85 01:20:47 EDT Distribution: net Organization: SUNY/Buffalo Computer Science Lines: 42 Xref: linus net.flame:9310 net.politics:8523 From postnews Tue May 28 16:35:53 1985 References: <1102@cbosgd.UUCP> <694@ssc-vax.UUCP> <168@ttrdc.UUCP> <329@philabs.UUCP> > Furthermore, for all you white, liberal, mealy-mouthed, well educated, > BMW driving, quiche-eating (get the picture?) bleeding hearts out there, > the only way to get rid of racism is to destroy the source of racism. > You cannot reform a racist government, it didn't work here it won't work > there. > Brian Day [Note: since I'm only addressing this one point, I deleted 2-3 paragraphs of other stuff.] What do you mean, "it didn't work here"? Did I miss a revolution in the 1950's-60's? (I admit I wasn't born until 1965, but I have read a few books.) It seems to me that, prior to the Brown v. Topeka (?) Board of Education, there were "Jim Crow" laws in this country which allowed for "separate but 'equal'" facilities for blacks and other minorities. It seems that this is no longer the case. It seems that there are no more poll taxes, poll reading tests,etc., in this country (although there are people who would like to see them come back). It seems that racial discrimination by any branch of any government in the U.S.A. (federal, state, local) is ILLEGAL, to say nothing of frowned upon. It also seems to me that all of this was accomplished primarily by two means: changes in social perceptions (on the part of the citizenry) and legislation (on the part of the federal you-know-who). Perhaps you've heard of the Civil Rights Acts of '64 and '65 (I believe); are these manifestations of a violent overthrow of the U.S. government prior to my birth? It seems, then, that you can reform a racist government. By the way, I am white (Jewish, no less), liberal, but I don't drive a BMW (I don't even own a car), I don't like quiche, and, as to whether I'm "mealy-mouthed" or a "bleeding heart", well, I'll leave that up to the reader, as they say. So there. "Are Jews white? Well, technically yes, but..." -- NatLamp -- Henry J. Neeman (ughenry@buffalo) Mail, mail, send me mail!