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Subject: Re: Discrimination and Affirmative Action
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Date: Thu, 30-May-85 09:46:35 EDT
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-->>From: scott@hou2g.UUCP (Scott Berry the Unbeliever),
-->
-->>Let's get something straight:
-->>
-->>	1. "Equal Opportunity" is a FAIR SHOT. 
-->>
-->>	2. "Affirmative Action" is MORE THAN a
-->>	   fair shot and in fact represents
-->>	   discrimination on basis of race and sex.
-->>
-->>			SJBerry
-->
-->I'm assuming that "Affirmative Action" is a requirement that a company's
-->payroll be (on the order of) 51% females and (on the order of) 11% blacks at
-->all levels of employment.  This reflects the current proportion of females
-->and blacks in the population as a whole.  Is that what you think it means?
-->If so, why do you think that such a requirement offers "MORE THAN a fair
-->shot" to females and blacks?  Please elaborate.
-->
-->--JB                                          Life is just a bowl.
-->

Elaboration-

          51 % ??????? in work force ?

                    Fine, even good ( at equal pay for equal work !!!!!!!)

          51 % ??????? in work force at all levels ?

                     Fine , even good, IF qualified

                     Bad IF NOT qualified.
                     (resentment,ineffiency you name it)

I use qualified above to include education, experience, competency,
which are the general parameters used in evaluating someone for a
promotion. Anyone think these should be changed ????????

Where women and minorities lose out is generally in experience, a lot of
them are only now getting the chance to break into exclusively white male
fields. From these opportunities they WILL get the chance to progress, that
is why there is legislation in force. In time the percentages of women,etc
in all levels will rise, dramatically over the next decade, and then at a
more gradual pace after that (my opinion only).

The human race generally evolves at it's own pace, if left alone, now if anyone
wants radical change then revolution will be needed. Now I'm sure there are 
militants on both sides of the fence that would embrace the thought of 
revolution.