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From: djb9244@acf4.UUCP (>* david birnbaum *<)
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Subject: Re: Pin the blame on the Germans
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Date: Tue, 21-May-85 01:22:00 EDT
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Posted: Tue May 21 01:22:00 1985
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> Reagan...  was simply
> showing his respect for those who died for the German cause.  

What was the German cause Bill? It was the end of democracy and the 
extermination of Jews, Gypsies,  et. al. We're
talking about burning women and children in ovens.               
SIX MILLION people guilty of being Jewish -
that's about 3000 a day for six years. They used plows to push the 
bodies into mass graves. Perhaps you should see the films.

> ...
>   Shouldn't
> their dead be mourned for just the same as ours?

Just because the people who committed the most vicious crimes against   
humanity died, doesn't make them less guilty or somehow forgivable.
Should we mourn the death of Hitler too?
 
>  As has been mentioned before
> very few of the bodies in that graveyard were those of Nazis.
> ....                                                   ^^^^^^
> Bill Gates
> /* ---------- */

 I hope that you meant to say very few of those Bitburg buried were SS (48 or
 so out of 2000). All German soldiers were Nazis - sworn to the Nazi ideology.
 Even though the soldiers buried at the cemetery weren't neccesarily part of the
 concentration camps going on directly, they were still fighting for the cause.

Oh Bill, don't respond with some crap about how 'they were forced to do it' or
'only the SS and the senior officers' were guilty. It takes more than
a few hundred willing people to almost systematically anihalate an entire 
creed.  [That's right Bill, they were almost successful - if not for our brave
 soldiers]. Hitler rose to power by appealing to anti-semitism & the Germans
 supported him in groves. 


Of course not every single German soldier is/was individually guilty - even
 at the
Nuremburg trials we took a stance of individual guilt, not collective...
But Reagan's visit besides improving int'l relations (of course it did), only
eased the concious of the citizens there -
 (Damn straight they should still feel
ashamed!) and made all the Neo-Nazis of the 1980s smile.


* AND BILL, WHEN YOU RESPOND, EXPLAIN ONE THING TO ME:
* HOW DID PREZ REAGAN SHOW RESPECT FOR THE GERMAN SOLDIERS WITHOUT FORGIVING
* THEM?   HE SHOWED RESPECT FOR THEM AT BITBURG(as you so correctfully stated). 
* WHEN YOU SHOW RESPECT FOR NAZIS YOU ARE FORGIVING THEM!!!!
* NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.

         Dee Jay Bee