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From: asente@Cascade.ARPA
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Subject: Re: Re: Assembly VS HOL: Having it both
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Date: Tue, 28-May-85 16:33:07 EDT
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Posted: Tue May 28 16:33:07 1985
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I feel obligated to defend Stanford, at least a little, after the following
message appeared:

>     Stanford may still have PL/360.  They still have ORVIL, WYLBUR,
>Algol-W, and a number of other antiques running on the IBM iron.
>In fact, the Stanford CS department's latest new machine is a DECsystem 2060
>that DARPA had left over from some project elsewhere and offered to Stanford.
>Stanford still has the old Incompatible Time-Sharing System running on SAIL,
>after all these years.  The fact that something is still in use at Stanford
>reflects only that Stanford got into the business early.
>
>					John Nagle

"Stanford" is a reasonably large university.  It's computing
environment is far from monolithic.  ORVIL, WYLBUR, and the IBM iron
are part of the university computing service and have nothing to do
with the Computer Science Department.  There are a LOT of places out
there that still use IBM machines as their main computing resource; the
above remarks make about as much sense as stating that some physics
department somewhere is antiquated because they use a PDP-8 to analyze
data from some machine.  Also, SAIL doesn't run, and has NEVER run to
my knowledge, the Incompatible Time-Sharing System (ITS); I don't think
that ever got out of MIT (thank God!).  The CS & EE departments have at
least 10 Vaxen running 4.2 Unix.  Stanford's computing resources
may not be all that we could wish, but they're far from being in the
dark ages as John suggested.

	-paul asente
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