Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!brl-tgr!wmartin From: wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) Newsgroups: net.med Subject: Re: Placebos can cause cancer (?!) Message-ID: <10970@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Thu, 23-May-85 14:26:51 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.10970 Posted: Thu May 23 14:26:51 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 24-May-85 22:32:22 EDT References: <1589@aecom.UUCP> <1273@hammer.UUCP> <437@ttidcc.UUCP> Reply-To: wmartin@brl-bmd.UUCP Distribution: na Organization: USAMC ALMSA Lines: 26 Summary: Problems of controlled tests A general query about controlled experiments, inspired by the subject discussion: If you are testing a truly effective medication, say for some serious disease or condition, and are conducting a blind or double-blind test where some participants get placebos and some the medication, and a number of the control group die because they got only placebos, while all the test subjects survive because this experimental medication was really effective, have you not violated the Hippocratic oath (and also laid yourself open for damages, no matter what you had the participants sign), by denying this (admittedly experimental) medication to people who could possibly have been saved by it? I recognize the necessity for testing before drugs or treatments are made available; there are both scientific and legal requirements for such testing. Yet I always wonder about those in these "control" groups; they aren't subject to the risks of the tested substance, but cannot get any possible benefits, either. I would think these considerations would make controlled testing for truly-life-saving treatments practically impossible to carry out. Am I right in this supposition? Will Martin USENET: seismo!brl-bmd!wmartin or ARPA/MILNET: wmartin@almsa-1.ARPA