Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!brl-tgr!wmartin From: wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) Newsgroups: net.misc Subject: Re: re: home defense Message-ID: <11191@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Fri, 31-May-85 16:07:06 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.11191 Posted: Fri May 31 16:07:06 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Jun-85 13:48:44 EDT References: <1178@hound.UUCP> <27200001@gypsy.UUCP> Reply-To: wmartin@brl-bmd.UUCP Distribution: na Organization: USAMC ALMSA Lines: 34 Re using an AR-15 or M1 Carbine for in-house defense: the main problem with either of these is that, for ultimate reliability, you want military-type full-metal-jacket bullets in the cartridges you use. Yet those are also highly penetrating, and can zing right through most modern (= shoddy) construction, through your house walls into your neighbors' houses, through several rooms within your house, etc. Now, if you live in a good solid old house, and/or you live out in open country, this might make no difference, and those would be good choices for the other reasons mentioned (plus being longer-ranged for outdoor use, like eliminating a biker band or whatever). However, if you live in a suburban tract house or urban townhouse or a condo, this can be bad news. In that latter case, look into a *20-gauge* shotgun, which reduces the problems you cited with a 12-gauge shotgun, yet has just about all the advantages. You can get nice pump 20-gauges for $130 or so on sale at K-Mart or the like, or fancier ones for ~$220 (like a Remington 870), or a semiauto Remington 1100 for ~$250 (even less recoil with that, though you trade off a modicum of reliability). At home-defense ranges, a 20-gauge is just as lethal as a 12-gauge. Use #6 shot for minimizing wall penetration; it is just as deadly at close range as buckshot or slugs -- 1 1/4 oz. of lead (or thereabouts) has a similar effect no matter how it is divided up, when it is travelling in a compact bundle (which is what you have at close range). Plus you can easily practice at skeet & trap ranges, easier to find than rifle ranges these days. Regards, Will Martin USENET: seismo!brl-bmd!wmartin or ARPA/MILNET: wmartin@almsa-1.ARPA