Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site mhuxr.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mfs From: mfs@mhuxr.UUCP (SIMON) Newsgroups: net.music,net.music.synth Subject: Re: Drum Machines - A Flame Message-ID: <328@mhuxr.UUCP> Date: Fri, 24-May-85 18:50:31 EDT Article-I.D.: mhuxr.328 Posted: Fri May 24 18:50:31 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 25-May-85 08:58:57 EDT References: <317@mhuxr.UUCP> <979@pyuxd.UUCP> <320@mhuxr.UUCP> <988@pyuxd.UUCP> <327@mhuxr.UUCP> <992@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 43 Xref: watmath net.music:7666 net.music.synth:288 > [Drum Machines can be used to] > to play some IMPORTANT repetitive part of a piece so as to free the players > to make some "real" contributions on top of that is a useful one. > > ...The value is in the end result, not in some pre-determination > of the form "this uses an XXX, therefore it doesn't qualify as 'alive'". > As evidenced by the Eno work I've already mentioned. > > ...look at and listen to THE END RESULT. To say "such machines CANNOT > produce valid, 'alive' end results goes against the evidence, and strikes me > as highly prejudicial. > Rich Rosen Perhaps an example is in order. On the album THE LONG MARCH, the tune "South Africa Goddamn" (A Max Roach/Archie Shepp duet), Roach opens with a drum solo, based on an odd, but simple beat (2/2.) As his solo is winding up, before Shepp starts playing, Max rushes the beat a bit. It may be a "mistake" or it may have been planned, but the effect is of Roach "holding his breath" while waiting to see which way SHepp will go. As the tenor enters, Roach shifts from a staccato snare to a rolling shuffle (still in 2/2), which swells and retreats in response to Shepp's line. The rhythmic result is perfectly matched to Shepp's sorrowful sound, as opposed to Roach's jagged, angry solo. Now, Archie Shepp is not commonly sad, but furious on the subject of South Africa, and I am sure Max had to adjust to his unexpectedly pastoral mood that day. It is a measure of Max's creativity that he completely altered the rhythmic feel of the piece, without changing the beat. THAT is what a drummer can do. Not every one is Max Roach, but any decent drummer will adapt similarly to a change in melodic intensity. As I see it, a preprogrammed machine, almost by definition, cannot react to an unfolding development. The melodist thus has not rhythmic challenge; Time deadens, and stops altogether. Result: dead music. Somebody sent me mail stating that as synthesizer thechnology advances, a player will be able to adjust their stored pattern in real time, in response to some melodic challenge. I would welcome such a development, for it would signal the end of those horribly lifeless machines and mean the creation of a new class of intruments for PEOPLE to play. It would return musical creation to the human mind, where it belongs. Marcel Simon