Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site utastro.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!gymble!lll-crg!dual!mordor!ut-sally!utastro!ethan From: ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: The Well-Tempered Species Message-ID: <112@utastro.UUCP> Date: Mon, 20-May-85 15:00:25 EDT Article-I.D.: utastro.112 Posted: Mon May 20 15:00:25 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 24-May-85 04:19:49 EDT References: <1086@uwmacc.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX Lines: 26 Actually, I'm not going to quote Paul's article at all. [My blow against tree destruction! :-)]. I just have a few comments to make. In practice it is usually possible to unamibiguously define separate species that exist at the same time in the same general area. There are many different criteria that scientists and nonscientists use and with *very* few exceptions that all yield the same results. Species separated geographically can frequently have an ambiguous status. Species separated in time (e.g. homo sapiens and homo erectus) present such problems that it becomes difficult to know where to draw lines. For example one may note that discoverers of human fossils have tended to make extreme distinctions between human fossils (probably because deviations from the human norm strike us as more significant than deviations from the wombat norm.) I can't see how this presents evolution with any problem. Since creationists believe in divinely ordained "kinds" these ambiguities do provide them with considerable food for thought. However, I must admit that the conumdrum of "kinds" and "species" plays absolutely no role in why I think creationism is nonsense. "Don't argue with a fool. Ethan Vishniac Borrow his money." {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan Department of Astronomy University of Texas