Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site utastro.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!gymble!lll-crg!dual!mordor!ut-sally!utastro!ethan From: ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Second Law Message-ID: <113@utastro.UUCP> Date: Mon, 20-May-85 15:44:50 EDT Article-I.D.: utastro.113 Posted: Mon May 20 15:44:50 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 24-May-85 04:20:24 EDT References: <1485@hao.UUCP> <213@phri.UUCP> <298@scgvaxd.UUCP> <1037@ihuxn.UUCP> <326@osiris.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX Lines: 27 > Someone used the Second Law of Thermodynamics as an argument for creationism. > In a philosophy course I attended here at Hopkins, the idea was presented > that the Second Law isn't a law, but an observation. Entropy may follow a > jagged sort of curve, increasing sometimes, decreasing other times (on a > _very_ large time scale.) > > Any comments from those in the know? I don't know that much about physics. > > Rob St. Amant You've got it right. The second law is a statement about probable states. If a system has enough time to reach equilibrium then the chances are overwhelming that it will be in certain states, and not in others. The statement that entropy shouldn't decrease is a probabilistic one, not an absolute statement. Given enough time a system in equilibrium will sample *all* accessible states. Some large number of them will appear indistinguishable on a macroscopic scale. This means that the odds will favor a system occupying this macroscopic state at any one time. It is not a guarantee. A good example is the distribution of air in a room. There are many many microscopic states which correspond to an even distribution of air. There are very few that correspond to "all the air in the upper left corner of the room". Therefore, if we check the air in a room we expect to find it evenly distributed. "Don't argue with a fool. Ethan Vishniac Borrow his money." {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan Department of Astronomy University of Texas