Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site utastro.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!greipa!pesnta!amd!vecpyr!lll-crg!dual!mordor!ut-sally!utastro!ethan From: ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: debating tactics Message-ID: <130@utastro.UUCP> Date: Fri, 24-May-85 10:31:00 EDT Article-I.D.: utastro.130 Posted: Fri May 24 10:31:00 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 27-May-85 00:13:54 EDT Distribution: net Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX Lines: 24 I have noticed a bizarre tendency in the arguments in this group which confuses the issues at hand. Frequently (I'm being deliberately vague here) I have noticed arguments like this. Creationist: "Evolution requires x to happen. x is impossible." Evolutionist: "Nonsense! x could happen in this way or that way etc." Creationist: "'could happen' is not proof of evolution." The second and third speakers are both correct, but they are not talking to one another. Many of these exchanges were set off by that ridiculous series of postings on reasons for creationism. To be fair I have also seen incorrect arguments for evolution of the form "x can be explained by evolution, therefore x is proof of evolution." "Don't argue with a fool. Ethan Vishniac Borrow his money." {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan Department of Astronomy University of Texas