Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site petsd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!petsd!cjh From: cjh@petsd.UUCP (Chris Henrich) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Misc Language Message-ID: <532@petsd.UUCP> Date: Thu, 30-May-85 19:06:17 EDT Article-I.D.: petsd.532 Posted: Thu May 30 19:06:17 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 31-May-85 06:22:19 EDT References: <1134@uwmacc.UUCP> Organization: Perkin-Elmer DSG, Tinton Falls, N.J. Lines: 44 [] Paul Dubois has raised the issue of the appearance of language (or languages) as relevant to the issues of evolution vs. special creation. Here is an extract from his posting: > Don't you find it in the least suspicious > that language should develop over such a long period of time and then > just show up full blown with NO TRACE of prior development? I think we have very little evidence, one way or the other, about the tempo at which language developed. If mainstream paleontologists are right, there have been humans around for several hundred thousand years. Written records of any kind go back about five thousand years at most. So most of the time during which language could have evolved is not open to our scrutiny. I have the impression that historical and comparative linguists push their reconstructions of extinct languages back well beyond the oldest written records, and are fairly confident of their inferences about "proto-Indo-European," for example. But I don't see how they test their ideas. In any case, they do not claim to go all the way back to the first languages. So, maybe language developed slowly, or maybe it burst forth in the twinkling of an eye (that is, in a period of a mere thousand years or so.) Do we know? We don't. Shall we? Not soon. Can we reach sound conclusions from unknown premises? Speech acts are not organisms; though they are connected to one another in various causal ways, they do not reproduce like living things. They are human artifacts, and humans are capable of changing their behavior at a speed which far exceeds that of biological change. Therefore, I think that even if we could answer questions about the origin of language, the answers would not be relevant to the debate about biological change. Regards, Chris -- Full-Name: Christopher J. Henrich UUCP: ..!(cornell | ariel | ukc | houxz)!vax135!petsd!cjh US Mail: MS 313; Perkin-Elmer; 106 Apple St; Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 Phone: (201) 758-7288