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From: long@oliveb.UUCP (A Panther Modern)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 21)
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Date: Sun, 2-Jun-85 14:33:04 EDT
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Posted: Sun Jun  2 14:33:04 1985
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In article <366@iham1.UUCP> rck@iham1.UUCP (Ron Kukuk) writes:
|        33.  The simplest form of life consists of about 600  different
|             protein  molecules. The mathematical probability that JUST
|             ONE molecule could form by the chance arrangement  of  the
|             proper amino acids is far less than 1 in 10**527. [a] (The
|             magnitude  of  the  number  10**527  can   begin   to   be
|             appreciated  by  realizing  that  the  visible universe is
|             about 10**28 inches in diameter.)
| 
|             a)  James F. Coppedge, EVOLUTION: POSSIBLE OR  IMPOSSIBLE?
|                 (Grand  Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1973), pp.
|                 71-72.
| 

    The proper amino acids do not have to come together by chance.  If we saw
a stone rolling, not knowing which way the slope went, we could say "but the
chances that that stone rolls in that direction is only one in an infinite
number of other directions."

|        34.  There are many instances where quite  different  forms  of
|             life  are  completely  dependent upon each other. Examples
|             include: fig trees and the fig gall wasp [a,b], the  yucca
|             plant  and  the pronuba moth [c], many parasites and their
|             hosts, and pollen-bearing plants and the  honeybee.   Even
|             the  members  of  the  honeybee  family, consisting of the
|             queen, workers, and drones,  are  interdependent.  If  one
|             member of each interdependent group evolved first (such as
|             the plant before the animal or one member of the  honeybee
|             family  before another), it could not have survived. Since
|             all members of the group  obviously  have  survived,  they
|             must  have  come  into  existence  at essentially the same
|             time.
| 
|             a)  Oscar L. Brauer, ''The Smyrna Fig Requires God for Its
|                 Production,''  CREATION  RESEARCH  SOCIETY  QUARTERLY,
|                 Vol.9, No.2, September 1972, pp. 129-131.
|             b)  Bob Devine,  MR.  BAGGY-SKIN  LIZARD  (Chicago:  Moody
|                 Press, 1977), pp. 29-32.
|             c)  Devine, pp. 17-20.
| 

    This does not contradict evolution at all.  In any of these cases, both
species could have evolved into an interdependence relationship.  In cases
like this, both species could provide something to the other in a way that is
easier than the old method of obtaining the something, and so the successful
individuals of both species are the ones that can take better advantage of
the other species, until both are interdependent.

						Dave Long
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